NVIDIA's Ion Platform: Performance Preview
by Anand Lal Shimpi on February 3, 2009 9:01 AM EST- Posted in
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Keeping Atom in Perspective
I ran one last benchmark on Ion: SYSMark 2007.
I chose SYSMark 2007 instead of going back to an older benchmark for one reason in particular: people seem to be putting too much faith in what Atom can do. These results here are useful for two things: 1) to showcase the performance of NVIDIA’s Ion platform vs. a standard Atom + 945G, and 2) to remind everyone what sort of performance Atom provides today.
The desktop CPU in the chart above is an Intel Celeorn 430. It is a 65nm single-core Conroe based processor with 1MB of L2 cache running at 1.80GHz. This is a horribly crippled version of the Core 2 processor we all fell in love with over two years ago. A single-core Atom, what’s found in all shipping Atom notebooks/netbooks, is less than half the speed of this processor running a modern day workload.
This isn’t a slight against Atom. Intel’s Atom is an excellent processor. It’s small, extremely power efficient, cool and well architected. But it delivers the performance of a lower-end mainstream notebook from over four years ago. Keep that in mind people, especially before you go out and spend $600 or $700 on a PC based on Atom.
Intel also sees netbooks as $299 - $349 machines. At those price points, Atom delivers good enough performance. But start approaching $1000 and it starts becoming silly very fast. Spend $200 - $300 on a CPU and you’ll easily have 4 - 5x the performance of an Atom in modern tasks.
Atom’s low power consumption gives it the ability to cheaply fit into small form factors. You pay a small premium for that advantage, but let’s not forget that Atom was never designed to be a notebook/desktop replacement. And Ion doesn’t change that either.
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Roy2001 - Tuesday, February 17, 2009 - link
With single chip solution, it costs less than 945G. nVidia should chanrge less for Ion chip.Or it would have no chance, Intel is going to integrate chipset in CPU, it already did, but for MID now.
Roy2001 - Sunday, February 15, 2009 - link
Only a few HTPC lover would buy it. Whoelse? Those who want to play games with Atom? No, you can barely play under 800x600 with lowest quality and barely 30fps. So, who will buy it?Aeridyne - Friday, February 13, 2009 - link
I just had a great idea for one, would work just fine on the regular 945 systems too... plug in 2 usb controllers for a really mobile little machine to play roms on, mini arcade... i think i just gave myself a reason to buy one :)araczynski - Monday, February 9, 2009 - link
what's the point of adding all that gpu decoding if it only works to be good 99% of the time? and still releasing it as a finished product?like putting sexy tires on a car and saying, every few days they'll go flat on you, but that's ok.
oh, and try to keep your opinions of what looks ugly and what doesn't to yourself anand, your ego is getting up there with tom's and too many others. stick with the numbers and facts.
Penti - Wednesday, February 4, 2009 - link
I don't feel to excited about the Atom any more. 9400M is overrated, mainly because of Apple, a Conroe-L would be so much better too. Atom will never cut it for multimedia. Even the AMD Neo is a bit weak but at least it's powerful enough for Vista Business. Atom is a nice chip for embedded computing but I don't care for it any where else. Netbooks is fun but I don't care much for XP Home or linpus/xandros (I would just install a distro my self) and Netbooks with hard drives or a bit bigger SSDs aren't cheap. So they don't feel like the right device for me.nubie - Wednesday, February 4, 2009 - link
Is the Celeron 430 really a 1MB level 2 cache?I have two and they are most certainly 512mb cache.
(I can't tell if you are using the mobile Celeron 430 or not.)
Yet another reason the D201GLY2 motherboard should never have been killed.
I would rather see a 2Ghz Core2 Solo and the 9400m paired up on a mini-itx board.
Actually a Pentium Dual Core 2.2-2.4Ghz with 2 or 3 MB level 2 cache sounds perfect. And it may even be affordable if the 9300 Itx board comes out.
The real problem is the case, we need better slimmer cases with heatpipe cooling (no moving parts). Lian Li needs to get on it and make a Mini-itx case.
(I understand that this is smaller than mini-itx, but I don't care, mini-itx is a better standard for general purpose machines, the Ion project is for netbooks and appliances, not enthusiasts.)
sprockkets - Wednesday, February 4, 2009 - link
There are fanless cases, you just need to know where to look.www.logicsupply.com
Gen ITX news: www.mini-ITX.com
www.mini-box.com
nubie - Saturday, February 7, 2009 - link
I have been building ITX systems for 6 years, I am well aware of the cases available.Re-read what I said:
The real problem is the case, we need better slimmer cases with heatpipe cooling (no moving parts). Lian Li needs to get on it and make a Mini-itx case.
As I said, the current crop of cases is too bulky and stupid looking with not enough cooling.
If you allowed the unit to be only as tall as the rear panel I/O and used a good heatpipe to one side of the motherboard PCB, with room for either an expansion card to the other side with a 90° header you could get a 9800GT and a 3.2Ghz dual core into a case a little bigger than a Eeepc 904, with a heck of a lot more power.
If you want to tell me there are sexy mini-itx cases save your breath, I haven't seen one half as compelling as this: http://sportcompactpc.com/web/default.aspx">http://sportcompactpc.com/web/default.aspx
That case can hold a full ATX board with a dual-slot pci-e card, a full hard drive (or two), and isn't all that much bigger than most ITX cases.
I have some requirements:
Slim (as mentioned, only 2-3cm more than the rear panel header opening)
No moving parts (no fans)
Heatpipe cooling (for the video card too.)
Room for an 9800GT (or the new 9600GT with the reduced power requirements).
If I had a couple thousand to spend I would assuredly design my own and start prototyping it on some of the services that make custom cases. (sorry, cant' find it now, but they offer a free CAD program so you can design your case)
My problems with current cases?
CD Drives block heatsinks and make the case too big, put them under the motherboard in an additional expansion, so you can remove it if you don't need it.
Cases are too deep, front to back I haven't seen one that is the same size as a standard VCR/DVD player (AKA they won't fit around my TV in the entertainment cabinet). Fix this by making the motherboard abut the front of the case with a small gap of 1-2cm and then make the front panel modular so that the RAM slots/Headers are still usable.
Lack of good cooling solutions. Not one case has a good heatsink that comes with it. What use is a small PC if you need a freaking 1U fan that screams at 13,000RPM? Or you are forced to use a (shudder) Atom CPU?
Lack of proper space for add-on card. The only case I know of with proper add-on card space is the Morex Cubid series, unfortunately they are obscenely deep and look like a DirecTV box.
sikahr - Wednesday, February 4, 2009 - link
You see, Pineview is first Intel CPU with integrated GPU, available first quarter 2010, and after that there will be no "simple" atoms without graphics. Result, bye bye Ion.Nvidia is out of chipset business very soon.
Slappi - Wednesday, February 4, 2009 - link
You are a nutjob.AMD is going bust as we speak.
INTC's chip combo will be weak.
NVDA has 1.3 billion dollars.
NVDA is making money.
You are a moron.