Fall 2003 Video Card Roundup Part I - ATI's Radeon 9800 XT
by Anand Lal Shimpi & Derek Wilson on October 1, 2003 3:02 AM EST- Posted in
- GPUs
Final Words
We’ll limit the talk about the new batch of $500 cards to the first few lines of this conclusion. The Radeon 9800 XT offers a marginal performance improvement over the regular Radeon 9800 Pro, definitely not worth upgrading to for current 9800 Pro owners.
As far as people looking to upgrade once for the long run, with new architectures due out in 6 months, a $500 investment today would be significantly more out of date than if you purchase a card right before a refresh. We rarely recommend that you buy the fastest performing card on the market; in fact the last time we did that was with the Radeon 9700 Pro – the impact of which is clearly not equaled by the Radeon 9800 XT (nor were we expecting it to). Whether spending $500 is worth it today is your call, but you can definitely get very similar performance out of a used Radeon 9700 Pro or even a non-Pro Radeon 9800 at much better price points. If money is no object, then we’re sure that ATI wouldn’t mind shipping a few more XTs in your direction.
We’re quite wary of recommending any of the current NVIDIA cards at this point, for two major reasons. First, with NV38 coming right around the corner any FX 5900 Ultra purchases wouldn’t be wise investments. Also, given the marginal performance improvements you can expect out of a 5% core clock increase, don’t have incredibly high expectations for the NV38. We can’t recommend the GeForce FX 5600 Ultra because NVIDIA has already indicated that NV36 (the 5600 Ultra’s successor) will be here shortly to replace it and should offer significantly greater performance. So if you’re looking to buy a video card right now, ATI is the way to go.
Looking at the stats, ATI clearly wins in 6 games, NVIDIA wins in 4 games and the two come very close in 5 games. Games such as Command & Conquer Generals: Ground Zero and Simcity 4: Rush Hour are examples where ATI clearly has the lead over NVIDIA and the argument could be made that ATI holds the lead because they optimize for all games, while NVIDIA just optimizes for benchmark titles. However, looking at games like Homeworld 2 and Neverwinter Nights you could make the exact opposite argument.
What’s clear is that both manufacturers optimize for the more popular games and the focus of optimizations is obviously greater on more visible games. With that said, we’re hoping that by expanding our test suite we will be able to encourage optimizations to make more games run better. We’ll see how the picture we’ve depicted here today changes as time goes on.
Although we did provide some insight into the “next generation” of games with scores from Halo, the real question on everyone’s mind is still Half Life 2 as well as Doom3. The performance crown under Doom3 is still in NVIDIA’s camp apparently, and although the latest drivers have closed the gap significantly, ATI is still ahead in Half Life 2. The numbers we’ve seen indicate that in most tests ATI only holds single digit percentage leads (< 5%), although in some cases ATI manages to pull ahead by double digits.
There’s much more to come, but for now we’ve given you quite a bit to chew on…
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Anonymous User - Sunday, October 5, 2003 - link
you're all idiotsAnonymous User - Saturday, October 4, 2003 - link
I think everyone knows that those FS2004 results wereAnonymous User - Saturday, October 4, 2003 - link
Bishot Mgdbottled here,I just wanna say Anad did a great Job!
Those FS2004 results are the truth, I get 100FPS no problem with my 9700P! while All the NV boys get is 20-30! Hah!
Thats why Anad will always be my top techie site!
ATI Rocks NVidia sucks! End of story! I here that Nvidia got dropped by Microsoft from any DX10 development participation!
Woohoo! Even MS knows what we all know, NV sucks!
Anonymous User - Saturday, October 4, 2003 - link
I would like to see a comparison with a game that uses the "meant to be played optimizations".That could be a real hoot.
Anonymous User - Saturday, October 4, 2003 - link
I still trust Anand more than HardOCP, I won't even give the H my hits anymore I detest them so much.This is definately one of the lowest quality and only review I can remember with such low integrety for Anandtech.
Sorry guys, please use don't insult our intellegence by posting articles like this.
Anonymous User - Saturday, October 4, 2003 - link
ATi is currently deciding who gets 9600XT samples while they wait for them to ship...Curley - Saturday, October 4, 2003 - link
Take a stand. No matter how many games you include or how long you make the reviews, the educated reader knows what you are doing.Intestinal fortitude is a hard thing to come by.
That is why HARD OCP is now my home page.
Anonymous User - Saturday, October 4, 2003 - link
Those Fs2004 results are great!What the H**l were you guys smoken?
Didn't you even think when you got those funny results?
No, I guess you did not.
Anad, I'm sorry but yer site has lost all credence.
So long.
Anonymous User - Saturday, October 4, 2003 - link
Stupid moron!Anonymous User - Saturday, October 4, 2003 - link
Mgdbottled here again,I see non of you NV dwarfs can speakup in behalf of your beloved nvidia! HA! Your card sucks so go home!
ATI 2xAA is better than anything FX cards can do! HA! AND THEY don't cheat!!!!
I swithched my trilien filter on by selecting performance mode and at 16anison this card just screams!
ATI F***ing rocks man!!!
OK, me an Bigshot are the same, I had to do that because someone was using my nick.